york and new jersey in '74. that was far more honest to the experience than anything i could have written realistically. >> at the age of six, you came? >> yeah, yeah. yeah, and for a young mind, i mean, it's an extraordinary leap. it's an extraordinary leap. and i think science fiction, i think fantasy, i think the genres do a wonderful job of describing all parts of, many parts of our society that realism doesn't do a great job of describing. >> didn't you say somewhere that "star wars," the "star wars" stories, you couldn't have a better framework for dramatic analysis or storytelling than "star wars"? ♪ >> i love to teach those as structures. they're, like, great, great structures for sort of teaching my students how drama can work, especially how drama can work in a film. >> how so? >> well, i mean, first, you think about the three movies. again, the first, the original three movies. and when we think about the way that they're organized together. and, you know, there's always in any movie or in every boo